How to put the escalating tensions with Iran into broader perspective?

I ate lunch at the hospital yesterday with one of my more evangelical-charismatic-oriented chaplain volunteers. Since I had not had a chance to watch the news the evening before, due to some intense things going on at the hospital, he provided his "take" on what was going on Monday at Columbia University.

After a rather interesting conversation, noting my friend J___'s sources of news and "truth" about what is really going on between Iran and the United States governments, I spent some time late in the day "digesting" the following enlightening transcript of an interview from within DemocracyNow's Tuesday, Sept. 25 broadcast archives:

The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States:

(Reader, please take time to click on that link and peruse the transcript now, if you got this far, otherwise the rest won't make as much sense.)

...after absorbing all that I felt moved to compose the following response which I sent J___ last evening:

Dear J_____,

I have no doubt that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from Iran has his politics and foreign policy influenced by his own sectarian theological interpretations -- by, as you said, invoking the return of the return of the Mahdi (the 12th Imam) yesterday during his speech. And things are really stirring in other directions as well, e.g. Cal Thomas makes a strong appeal for balance in speakers at places like Columbia University in his column I read in the Goshen News today (Tuesday.)

But I offer the following to you as a deeper dig into some important political realities and history behind the rhetoric and posturing that both President Bollinger of Columbia University and the President of Iran engaged (blustered) in yesterday. Obviously, President Ahmadinejad, by the way he responded blew an important opportunity to tone down the fractiousness that is fueling the tensions between our two countries.

I read this piece after our brief noon hour discussion on this subject. Had I come across this earlier I would have been much better equipped to put into a much broader context what you were picking up from commentator Glen Beck last evening.

Why is it they miss so much of the solid historical perspective on popular news shows today, but instead get busy fanning the flames? I seriously doubt that either Cal Thomas or Glenn Beck will bring very much of the following to the light of day!

Blessings,
Clair Hochstetler

Then came J___'s response by email today. I anticipated something like this, based on several previous discussions on topics in which his theological and political views are entwined. I suppose mine could be, too, but I'm usually swinging from a different vine in such discussions:

Hi Clair,

Thanks for the article. I have just completed reading an excellent book, "Saddam's Secrets" by Georges Sada.

You may have heard of General Sada. He is an Iraqi Assyrian Christian who actually become Vice Air Marshall under Saddam Hussein and survived. He is working to rebuild Iraq. His take on the American intervention to overthrow Saddam is a lot different from what you hear from liberal institutions. Now, this is true inside information.

This article is written from the perspective that the trouble is from the US policy under the Bush administration. This position has not quite come to grips with reality. It's not Sada's position either.

In this article:

..."Bollinger's speech was like a drumbeat for war" ...Clair, Bollinger simply stated the facts about Ahmadinejad and Iran. I am surprised that such a liberal institution such as Columbia would bring out the facts. Some people so hate Bush that they cannot see reality.

..."most of the questions from the audience missed the opportunity" Clair, all of the questions were straightforward and pertinent. Ahmadinejad did not answer one of them. Not only that, he lied. This is what Koran teaches-lie to your enemies for advantage.

Yes, Israel may have had "secret" exchanges with Iran in the past, but it is a new day. This article overlooks the driving motivation behind Ahmadinejad. When he says that soon Israel will be no more he means it. Clair, have you heard any of his speeches that he has delivered in Iran?

In those speeches, his position on Israel and the United States are very clear. He lays it out. His support for Hezbollah is very clear. They deny the right of Israel to exist. Where was that issed opportunity for peace?

I have heard it over and over, if we could just get rid of the Bush foreign policy and just sit down down talk and understand each other, then we would have peace. Clair, this is ignorance.

The only way to have peace with someone like Ahmadinejad is to destroy Israel and submit to Sharia law. There is no other compromise.

Anyway, thanks for the article.
J___

So over noon hour today I responded with:

Thanks for your response, my friend. Don't get me wrong, I think the President of Iran promotes very bad policy from his end, as well, and I am no supporter of his, either. He is obviously quite ill-equipped as a diplomat!

One of the strengths about the article though, which I appreciated, is the way it explains how Ahmadinejad does not represent the majority views of the people in Iran, nor does he have the only power base in Iran as some people think. There are other power centers/personalities there and this article illustrates who and why, so I think there is hope!

Apparently many are estimating that Ahmadinejad only has about the same amount of popular support as President Bush within their respective countries (core base being only 25% or so among the general population.) And by Ahmadinejad's performance in New York there is going to be further erosion of both his standing in the Muslim world and his internal support in Iran -- unless we attack Iran -- and that would for sure be a way to instantly unite the various factions in Iran against us. A foolish thing for us to do, indeed!

Wouldn't you agree that parties on all sides ought to do whatever we can to avoid the peril of more war and violence, and to work at negotiated political solutions to defuse the tensions?

Clair

An hour later J___ replied:

Hi Clair,

It is always great to hear from you. It is true that according to the reports that I have read that 70% of Iran is actually pro-US. The problem is that Ahmadinejad and the clerics control the military and support terror, especially in Iraq and against Israel.

I am certainly not promoting an attack against Iran. However, I have become convinced that once Ahmadinejad gets nuclear weapons that he will not hesitate to use them against Israel and the US. Why? The Madhi theology. How can he hit the US? Either through container ships or smuggled over the Southern border. They can fire a missle off of a container ship.

Ahmadinejad stated in his address to the UN that the case concerning his nuclear program "is now closed." I do not think that the USA and especially Israel would tolerate an Iran having the "bomb."

In Ezekiel 38 - 39 it talks about a Russian - Iranian coalition coming down to Israel. It would seem to me that if Iran could simply shoot a missile with a nuclear warhead then there would be no need for such a massive land invasion.

To not see Iran, under such leadership, as a threat would be a big miss. What to actually do about it is beyond the scope of my understanding.

I will get you the book by Georges Sada. I will warn you-it is hard to put down.

Thanks for your thoughts.

J__

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Now, I have a question for you, dear reader:

How would you have responded to my friend, or to me, if you were a third party in this dialogue? (Feel free to comment below)

(By the way, after composing this, I found parallel perspectives and comments here at this blog -- God's Politics )

Is it really worth the energy to pursue impeaching V.P. Cheney?

Read this, and then decide for yourself:

I sent an opinion to The Elkhart Truth on this matter, which they published on Friday, July 6:

"When Bruce Fein, former Reagan deputy attorney general, and an alumni of the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute calls (in Slate last week) for the immediate impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney, well, then the whole world knows that Cheney has really gone bad!

It is quite clear now that Cheney 1) fabricated a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, 2) purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida, and 3) has threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, all to the detriment of America's national interest.

Sen. Evan Bayh, Sen. Richard Lugar and Rep. Mark Souder, when are you and your colleagues in Washington going to catch up with the will of the American people?" (Signed: Clair Hochstetler, Goshen, IN)

I got a lot of "heat" for it, as you can see (if you are willing to sign up and log on to the web version of "The Truth") by scrolling down and reading the responses here, some of which are quite assinine, others extremely vindictive or reactive - which I expected. As you also might notice if you scrolled down far enough, earlier this evening I replied to my naysayers there as follows:

"Some of you have claimed that my opinion is unfounded -- not researched or based on valid points. However, I have been doing research for quite some time on the issues and it's not because I'm "liberal" or "libertarian" or whatever. I am simply very concerned about the cohesiveness of civil society and upholding the Constitution.

Today's news regarding the President forbidding his former counsel to respond to a subpoena by Congress is just one symptom of a very dangerous mindset, in my view -- this cabal in power now considering themselves "above the rule of law."

1) Here's a good summary of what I've been reading about Mr. Cheney's legacy.

2) This provides a succinct rationale for "The Articles of Impeachment" of the Vice President as laid out currently in H. Res. 333

3) Further, my opinion is no longer in the minority! We know that holding the Vice President to account has also now become a mainstream opinion in America; a poll conducted over the weekend by the American Research Group asked 1,100 people a simple question: "Do you favor or oppose the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney?" They found that 54% want Cheney impeached!

Clair

(Comments are welcome -- post them right here, just below.)

No Ordinary Rescue Call!

Look at the first picture above and you can see where this guy broke through the guard rail (right side where the people are standing on the road).

His truck left the road, traveling from right to left. He flipped end-over-end, across the culvert outlet and landed on the left side of it.

Now look at the 2nd picture below.

Whew!

(Can this be anything other than an example of the grace of God? Angels at work?!)

Gas Prices

Friends from Pakistan...

My dear friends,

I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are camping their way around the States. They asked me if I knew where they might be able to go without spending a large amount of money on camp grounds. I told them that I would ask my friends and family for help in accommodating them.

In their travels, they bring all of their own camping gear, and only require a small place to set up camp. I have given them a list of your names and addresses in anticipation that you won't mind allowing them to camp on your own properties.

They drive green and white Mercedes and I have inserted a picture to help identify them when they show up.

Thanks in advance; I knew I would be able to count on you!

Clair
(see photo below)